[ANPPOM-L] FW: [Musikeion] Music for one apartment and six drummers

Sáb Fev 3 14:59:34 BRST 2007

Caros amigos,

Algumas mensagens interessantes que estão circulando na Musikeion.

Abraços,
Martinez

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> From: Eufrasio Prates <eufrasioprates em gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <eufrasio em aiec.br>, MUSIKEION  --  A forum on the meaning of music
> <musikeion em pucsp.br>
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 00:14:45 -0200
> To: MUSIKEION -- A forum on the meaning of music <musikeion em pucsp.br>
> Subject: Re: [Musikeion] Music for one apartment and six drummers
> 
> My dear Zé Luiz,
> 
> Actually, I noticed some "edition" on the sounds when they play the LP
> old records in the living room (cause it would be very difficult to
> synchronize it so perfectly), and I totally agree with your "layers"
> argument, but my point about "raising the indexicality" intends to
> point that common listeners (non-musicians or specialists) do not
> usually think about (interpret) the physical origins of the musical
> sounds, except when they come from a non-musical source (just the
> case). IOW, it is obvious that symbolic interpretation is present at
> this movie, but it remarks the potentiality (firstness) of the
> musicality (thirdness) of dayly sounds and objects (secondness),
> increasing the role of this last aspect (indexicality). Something
> alike maybe found in John Cage's 4'33, if you interpret it as a
> time-window of "silence" that put the common sounds present at a
> concert room in the first layer.
> 
> But you raised another interesting point, about the dramatic tension.
> Could you talk a little bit more about it?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Eufrasio
> 
> On 1/31/07, José Luiz Martinez <rudrasena em uol.com.br> wrote:
>> Dear Eufrasio,
>> 
>> 
>> I watched the movie. It seems to me quite much like the performances of
>> Stomp, which I enjoy very much. I think the percussive sounds are not really
>> live (as Stomp does), but probably sampled. Thus, indexicallity is rather a
>> reference (indexical signs) than actual indices (existents). I know some
>> people will argue that a sample is also an index, but there are more layers
>> of mediation in a sample.
>> 
>> Regarding the "raising of music indexicality", as you put it, do you refer
>> to the raising of dramatic tension, as the apartment owners come back
>> earlier than expected and see the ensemble as just finished one of the
>> pieces?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Martinez
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. José Luiz Martinez
>> Departamento de Linguagens do Corpo
>> Faculdade de Comunicação e Filosofia - PUC-SP
>> 
>> Rede Interdisciplinar de Semiótica da Música
>> http://www.pucsp.br/pos/cos/rism
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 31/01/2007 12:50, "Eufrasio Prates" <eufrasioprates em gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Watch the "raising" of music indexicality in this movie:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7h8qkMBE_E
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